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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>The good news – is that there’s
plenty of precedence with these <span class=GramE>sort</span> of social
networks – Ryze, Friendster, LinkedIn, <span class=SpellE>eCademy</span>,
Friendly Favors, <span class=SpellE>Sona</span> – the list goes on and
on.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>The need arises for interchange of trust
systems.<span style='mso-spacerun:yes'> </span>And we can start a grass
roots groundswell by…….<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Doing the little things that Morten is
doing.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=2 face=Tahoma><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'>-----Original Message-----<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>From:</span></b> David HM Spector
[mailto:spector@zeitgeist.com] <br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> Monday, June 30, 2003 1:17
PM<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> Marc Canter<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Cc:</span></b> rdfweb-dev@vapours.rdfweb.org<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> Re: [rdfweb-dev] hey</span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:12.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:0in;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:
12.0pt;margin-left:.5in'><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:12.0pt'>Hi Marc, <br>
<br>
This is exactly the kind of issue I was raising on the rdfweb-dev list several
weeks ago with my questions about the hierarchy of FoaF markup and the need for
the ability to embed/encapsulate markup inside other markup to explicitly show
now just that you know someone or some thing but how/why you know
someone/something.<br>
<br>
Without the ability to explicitly specify the context(s) of FoaF markup (all
FoaF assertions are at the "top level"), FoaF's viability seem to me
to be quite limited. <br>
<br>
David<br>
<br>
On Monday, June 30, 2003, at 12:37 PM, Marc Canter wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:0in;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:
12.0pt;margin-left:.5in'><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:12.0pt'><?fontfamily><?param Arial><?color><?param 0000,0000,8080><?smaller>What
Urs brings up is ONE real benefit of deploying FOAF into the real
world. This is a pragmatic implementation – which requires FOAF to
represent more than one level of relationship.<br>
<?/smaller><?/color><?/fontfamily><br>
<?fontfamily><?param Arial><?color><?param 0000,0000,8080><?smaller> <br>
<?/smaller><?/color><?/fontfamily><br>
<?fontfamily><?param Arial><?color><?param 0000,0000,8080><?smaller>Look at it
this way:<br>
<?/smaller><?/color><?/fontfamily><br>
<?fontfamily><?param Arial><?color><?param 0000,0000,8080><?smaller> -
as these social networking system spread (Friendster is adding 12k people A DAY)<br>
<?/smaller><?/color><?/fontfamily><br>
<?fontfamily><?param Arial><?color><?param 0000,0000,8080><?smaller> -
the need arises to transfer or connect the various friends links or reputations
systems that develop<br>
<?/smaller><?/color><?/fontfamily><br>
<?fontfamily><?param Arial><?color><?param 0000,0000,8080><?smaller> -
yes – indeed they’re called ‘trusted networks’<br>
<?/smaller><?/color><?/fontfamily><br>
<?fontfamily><?param Arial><?color><?param 0000,0000,8080><?smaller> -
some of these social software vendors consider these trusted nets – THEIR
I.P.<br>
<?/smaller><?/color><?/fontfamily><br>
<?fontfamily><?param Arial><?color><?param 0000,0000,8080><?smaller> -
while others have said they’re willing to open them up –and connect
them to others<br>
<?/smaller><?/color><?/fontfamily><br>
<?fontfamily><?param Arial><?color><?param 0000,0000,8080><?smaller> -
I’ve done a survey of existing and planned trust systems (Affero,
XpertWeb, NetDeva) <br>
<?/smaller><?/color><?/fontfamily><br>
<?fontfamily><?param Arial><?color><?param 0000,0000,8080><?smaller> -
and none of them are using FOAF as a ‘data structure’ for
representing one’s personal set of friends links<br>
<?/smaller><?/color><?/fontfamily><br>
<?fontfamily><?param Arial><?color><?param 0000,0000,8080><?smaller> <br>
<?/smaller><?/color><?/fontfamily><br>
<?fontfamily><?param Arial><?color><?param 0000,0000,8080><?smaller>SO now you
have a goal!<br>
<?/smaller><?/color><?/fontfamily><br>
<?fontfamily><?param Arial><?color><?param 0000,0000,8080><?smaller> <br>
<?/smaller><?/color><?/fontfamily><br>
<?fontfamily><?param Arial><?color><?param 0000,0000,8080><?smaller>As TypePad
comes out and sets in stone the usage of FOAF as a blogroll representation
system<br>
<?/smaller><?/color><?/fontfamily><br>
<?fontfamily><?param Arial><?color><?param 0000,0000,8080><?smaller> <br>
<?/smaller><?/color><?/fontfamily><br>
<?fontfamily><?param Arial><?color><?param 0000,0000,8080><?smaller>It’s
up to you guys – and me – and a few others……<br>
<?/smaller><?/color><?/fontfamily><br>
<?fontfamily><?param Arial><?color><?param 0000,0000,8080><?smaller> <br>
<?/smaller><?/color><?/fontfamily><br>
<?fontfamily><?param Arial><?color><?param 0000,0000,8080><?smaller>To get FOAF
used elsewhere – and THEN if we can connect SixApart’s efforts to:<br>
<?/smaller><?/color><?/fontfamily><br>
<?fontfamily><?param Arial><?color><?param 0000,0000,8080><?smaller> -
inter-connecting trust systems, blogrolls and friends networks….from all
over the Net<br>
<?/smaller><?/color><?/fontfamily><br>
<?fontfamily><?param Arial><?color><?param 0000,0000,8080><?smaller> -
tying in one’s personal meta-data<br>
<?/smaller><?/color><?/fontfamily><br>
<?fontfamily><?param Arial><?color><?param 0000,0000,8080><?smaller> -
bring in GPS, RSS and other existing standards into the mix <br>
<?/smaller><?/color><?/fontfamily><br>
<?fontfamily><?param Arial><?color><?param 0000,0000,8080><?smaller> -
tying this into all the research, OWL, W3C, T B-L efforts and
ideas…… <br>
<?/smaller><?/color><?/fontfamily><br>
<?fontfamily><?param Arial><?color><?param 0000,0000,8080><?smaller> <br>
<?/smaller><?/color><?/fontfamily><br>
<?fontfamily><?param Arial><?color><?param 0000,0000,8080><?smaller>You can be
DAMM CLOSE to having some real semantical value out there.<br>
<?/smaller><?/color><?/fontfamily><br>
<?fontfamily><?param Arial><?color><?param 0000,0000,8080><?smaller> <br>
<?/smaller><?/color><?/fontfamily><br>
<?fontfamily><?param Arial><?color><?param 0000,0000,8080><?smaller>Thanks Ben
– for getting this started. And thank you Morten for the cool, new
FOAF Explorer features.<br>
<?/smaller><?/color><?/fontfamily><br>
<?fontfamily><?param Arial><?color><?param 0000,0000,8080><?smaller> <br>
<?/smaller><?/color><?/fontfamily><br>
<?fontfamily><?param Arial><?color><?param 0000,0000,8080><?smaller>Now
it’s time to get this stuff into the hands – of the people!<br>
<?/smaller><?/color><?/fontfamily><br>
<?fontfamily><?param Arial><?color><?param 0000,0000,8080><?smaller> <br>
<?/smaller><?/color><?/fontfamily><br>
<?fontfamily><?param Arial><?color><?param 0000,0000,8080><?smaller>- Marc
Canter<br>
<?/smaller><?/color><?/fontfamily><br>
<?fontfamily><?param Arial><?color><?param 0000,0000,8080><?smaller> <br>
<?/smaller><?/color><?/fontfamily><br>
<?fontfamily><?param Tahoma><?smaller>-----Original Message-----<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>From:</span></b> Urs Gehrig
[mailto:urs@circle.ch]<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b>Monday, June 30, 20036:05 AM<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> 'Marc Canter'<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> RE: [rdfweb-dev] hey<br>
<?/smaller><?/fontfamily><br>
<?fontfamily><?param Times New Roman> <br>
<?/fontfamily><br>
<?fontfamily><?param Arial><?color><?param 0000,0000,FFFF><?smaller>dear marc<br>
<?/smaller><?/color><?/fontfamily><br>
<?fontfamily><?param Times New Roman> <br>
<?/fontfamily><br>
<?fontfamily><?param Arial><?color><?param 0000,0000,FFFF><?smaller>what do you
thing about my idea?<br>
<?/smaller><?/color><?/fontfamily><br>
<u><?fontfamily><?param Arial><?color><?param 0000,0000,FFFF><?smaller>http://www.circle.ch/blog/p912.html<?/smaller><?/color><?/fontfamily></u><br>
<br>
<?fontfamily><?param Times New Roman> <br>
<?/fontfamily><br>
<?fontfamily><?param Arial><?color><?param 0000,0000,FFFF><?smaller>regards, urs<br>
<?/smaller><?/color><?/fontfamily><br>
<?fontfamily><?param Tahoma><?smaller>-----Original Message-----<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>From:</span></b>
rdfweb-dev-bounces@vapours.rdfweb.org
[mailto:rdfweb-dev-bounces@vapours.rdfweb.org] <b><span style='font-weight:
bold'>On Behalf Of</span></b>Marc Canter<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> Thursday, June 26, 2003 7:46
PM<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> foaf-contact@rdfweb.org;
danbri@w3.org; rdfweb-dev@vapours.rdfweb.org<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Cc:</span></b> Shelley Powers; Ben
Hammersley; Morten Frederiksen<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> [rdfweb-dev] hey<br>
<?/smaller><?/fontfamily><br>
<?fontfamily><?param Arial><?smaller>I just read over this:<br>
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<u><?fontfamily><?param Arial><?color><?param 0000,0000,FFFF><?smaller>http://groups.yahoo.com/group/rdfweb-dev/message/102<?/smaller><?/color><?/fontfamily></u><br>
<br>
<?fontfamily><?param Arial><?smaller> <br>
<?/smaller><?/fontfamily><br>
<?fontfamily><?param Arial><?smaller>……which talks about photos and
six degrees of connection. Have you checked out Fotolog.net? I like
the co-depiction photos thingie. I noticed that the dim sum shots were
taken behind the Hotel Krasnopolski inAmsterdam. I don’t have to tell you
that my favorite ‘coffee shop’ is right there……<br>
<?/smaller><?/fontfamily><br>
<?fontfamily><?param Arial><?smaller> <br>
<?/smaller><?/fontfamily><br>
<?fontfamily><?param Arial><?smaller>=====================================<br>
<?/smaller><?/fontfamily><br>
<?fontfamily><?param Arial><?smaller> <br>
<?/smaller><?/fontfamily><br>
<?fontfamily><?param Arial><?smaller>I also wanted to reach out to you about
FOAF in general. I had a great time with Morten Fredericksen
inCopenhagenlast weekend and he said you two are REALLY the FOAF folks to talk
to.<br>
<?/smaller><?/fontfamily><br>
<?fontfamily><?param Arial><?smaller> <br>
<?/smaller><?/fontfamily><br>
<?fontfamily><?param Arial><?smaller>1.I pleaded with him to have you set up a
FOAF.org. I know, I know – that you THINK that rdfweb.org is the same as
foaf.org but in fact it’s not.<?/smaller><?/fontfamily> <br>
<br>
<?fontfamily><?param Arial><?smaller> <br>
<?/smaller><?/fontfamily><br>
<?fontfamily><?param Arial><?smaller>2.I’d make you or Aaron Schwartz my
friends – but I have to go grok the difference between the approach
Morten showed me and the ‘other’ one.<?/smaller><?/fontfamily> <br>
<br>
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<?/smaller><?/fontfamily><br>
<?fontfamily><?param Arial><?smaller>3.Which brings me to MY purpose for being
here – which is actually two fold:<?/smaller><?/fontfamily> <br>
<br>
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think of me as a marketing guy. <br>
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<?fontfamily><?param Arial><?smaller> -
I take/look at technology and make it plausible for humans. So case in
point – I tell someone asks about FOAF. They type in FOAF.org and get
nothing. They then think “who are these FOAF people, why don’t
they have FOAF.org?”<br>
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I’m sure you’re bombarded daily (in your role as a W3C nerd) to
make this semantic web stuff – more human friendly.<br>
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I can help and FOAF is at a juncture (as it’s about to be supported by
TypePad) – so NOW is the time to take this to the next stage…..<br>
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So hanging around the mail list, speaking up, pointing out key factors –
will be my role….<br>
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I’m an entrepreneur – a toolsmith – and we’re working
on software that has many social implications. A new kind of tool. A
new paradigm of tools.<br>
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I got a chance to show Morten what we’re up to<br>
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Hopefully we’ll be able to leverage and include FOAF in our plans<br>
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I’ve been helping get something called ThreadsML going…. (ask Danny
Ayers about that….)<br>
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We’re also working on an ‘OpenIdentity’ effort (more later)<br>
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So I’m here and ready to rock…..<br>
<?/smaller><?/fontfamily><br>
<?fontfamily><?param Arial><?smaller> <br>
<?/smaller><?/fontfamily><br>
<?fontfamily><?param Arial><?smaller>4.Not sure if this letter gets me onto the
mail list. Another case in point. The way OTHER people do it – they
have a statement which says…..<?/smaller><?/fontfamily> <br>
<br>
<?fontfamily><?param Arial><?smaller> “Here’s
our mail list” – “Here’s what you have to do to sign
for the mail list.”<br>
<?/smaller><?/fontfamily><br>
<?fontfamily><?param Arial><?smaller> It’s
little things like that that humans like…….<br>
<?/smaller><?/fontfamily><br>
<?fontfamily><?param Arial><?smaller> <br>
<?/smaller><?/fontfamily><br>
<?fontfamily><?param Arial><?smaller>5.Anway – don’t wanna start
off this relationship on the negative side. This is exciting
shit! I’m jazzed. Being a former best friend of Dave Winer
– and being someone who helped change the world – already –
puts me into a unique position to help you and to help me and to hold hands and
sing: “Kum bah yah”<?/smaller><?/fontfamily> <br>
<br>
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<?/smaller><?/fontfamily><br>
<?smaller>J<br>
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rdfweb-dev@vapours.rdfweb.org<br>
wiki: http://rdfweb.org/topic/FoafProject<br>
http://rdfweb.org/mailman/listinfo/rdfweb-dev<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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