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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>What <span class=SpellE>Urs</span> brings
up is ONE real benefit of deploying FOAF into the real world.<span
style='mso-spacerun:yes'> </span>This is a pragmatic implementation –
which requires FOAF to represent more than one level of relationship.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Look at it this way:<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><span style='mso-tab-count:1'> </span>-
<span class=GramE>as</span> these social networking system spread (Friendster
is adding 12k people A DAY)<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><span style='mso-tab-count:1'> </span>-
<span class=GramE>the</span> need arises to transfer or connect the various
friends links or reputations systems that develop<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><span style='mso-tab-count:1'> </span>-
<span class=GramE>yes</span> – indeed they’re called ‘trusted
networks’<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><span style='mso-tab-count:1'> </span>-
<span class=GramE>some</span> of these social software vendors consider these
trusted nets – THEIR I.P.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><span style='mso-tab-count:1'> </span>-
<span class=GramE>while</span> others have said they’re willing to open
them up –and connect them to others<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><span style='mso-tab-count:1'> </span>-
I’ve done a survey of existing and planned trust systems (<span
class=SpellE>Affero</span>, <span class=SpellE>XpertWeb</span>, <span
class=SpellE><span class=GramE>NetDeva</span></span>) <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><span style='mso-tab-count:1'> </span>-
<span class=GramE>and</span> none of them are using FOAF as a ‘data
structure’ for representing one’s personal set of friends links<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>SO now you have a goal!<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>As TypePad comes out and sets in stone the
usage of FOAF as a <span class=SpellE>blogroll</span> representation system<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>It’s up to you guys – and me –
and a few others……<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>To get FOAF used elsewhere – and THEN
if we can connect <span class=SpellE>SixApart’s</span> efforts to:<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><span style='mso-tab-count:1'> </span>-
<span class=GramE>inter-connecting</span> trust systems, blogrolls and friends networks….from
all over the Net<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><span style='mso-tab-count:1'> </span>-
tying in one’s personal meta-data<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><span style='mso-tab-count:1'> </span>-
bring in GPS, RSS and other existing standards into the mix <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='tab-stops:.5in 1.0in 1.5in 6.5in'><font size=2
color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;
color:navy'><span style='mso-tab-count:1'> </span>-
<span class=GramE>tying</span> this into all the research, OWL, W3C, T B-L
efforts and ideas……<span style='mso-tab-count:1'> </span><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>You can be DAMM CLOSE to having some real <span
class=SpellE>semantical</span> value out there.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Thanks Ben – for getting this
started.<span style='mso-spacerun:yes'> </span>And thank you Morten for the
cool, new FOAF Explorer features.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Now it’s time to get this stuff into
the hands – of the people!<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>- Marc Canter<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=2 face=Tahoma><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'>-----Original Message-----<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>From:</span></b> Urs Gehrig
[mailto:urs@circle.ch] <br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> </span></font><st1:date
Month="6" Day="30" Year="2003"><font size=2 face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'>Monday, June 30, 2003</span></font></st1:date><font
size=2 face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'> </span></font><st1:time
Hour="6" Minute="5"><font size=2 face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Tahoma'>6:05 AM</span></font></st1:time><font size=2 face=Tahoma><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'><br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> 'Marc Canter'<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> RE: [rdfweb-dev] hey</span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:12.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=2 color=blue face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue'>dear marc</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:12.0pt'> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=2 color=blue face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue'>what do you thing about
my idea?</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=2 color=blue face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue'><a
href="http://www.circle.ch/blog/p912.html">http://www.circle.ch/blog/p912.html</a></span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:12.0pt'> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=2 color=blue face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue'>regards, urs</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<blockquote style='border:none;border-left:solid blue 1.5pt;padding:0in 0in 0in 4.0pt;
margin-left:3.75pt;margin-top:5.0pt;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:5.0pt'>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:0in;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:
12.0pt;margin-left:.5in'><font size=2 face=Tahoma><span lang=DE
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma;mso-ansi-language:DE'>-----Original
Message-----<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>From:</span></b>
rdfweb-dev-bounces@vapours.rdfweb.org [mailto:rdfweb-dev-bounces@vapours.rdfweb.org]
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>On Behalf Of </span></b>Marc Canter<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> Thursday, June 26, 2003 7:46
PM<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> foaf-contact@rdfweb.org;
danbri@w3.org; rdfweb-dev@vapours.rdfweb.org<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Cc:</span></b> Shelley Powers; Ben
Hammersley; Morten Frederiksen<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> [rdfweb-dev] hey</span></font><span
lang=DE style='mso-ansi-language:DE'><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=2 face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>I just read over this:<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=2 face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=2 face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'><a
href="http://groups.yahoo.com/group/rdfweb-dev/message/102">http://groups.yahoo.com/group/rdfweb-dev/message/102</a><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=2 face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=2 face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>……which talks about
photos and six degrees of connection.<span style='mso-spacerun:yes'>
</span>Have you checked out Fotolog.net?<span style='mso-spacerun:yes'>
</span>I like the co-depiction photos thingie.<span
style='mso-spacerun:yes'> </span>I noticed that the dim sum shots were
taken behind the Hotel Krasnopolski in </span></font><st1:City><st1:place><font
size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>Amsterdam</span></font></st1:place></st1:City><font
size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>. I
don’t have to tell you that my favorite ‘coffee shop’ is
right there……<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=2 face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=2 face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>=====================================<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=2 face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=2 face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>I also wanted to reach out to you
about FOAF in general.<span style='mso-spacerun:yes'> </span>I had a
great time with Morten Fredericksen in </span></font><st1:City><st1:place><font
size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>Copenhagen</span></font></st1:place></st1:City><font
size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'> last
weekend and he said you two are REALLY the FOAF folks to talk to.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=2 face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:1.0in;text-indent:-.25in;mso-list:l1 level1 lfo3;
tab-stops:list 1.0in'><![if !supportLists]><font size=2 face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;mso-fareast-font-family:Arial'><span
style='mso-list:Ignore'>1.<font size=1 face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"'> </span></font></span></span></font><![endif]><font
size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>I pleaded
with him to have you set up a FOAF.org. I know, I know – that you THINK
that rdfweb.org is the same as foaf.org but in fact it’s not.</span></font>
<font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=2 face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:1.0in;text-indent:-.25in;mso-list:l1 level1 lfo3;
tab-stops:list 1.0in'><![if !supportLists]><font size=2 face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;mso-fareast-font-family:Arial'><span
style='mso-list:Ignore'>2.<font size=1 face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"'> </span></font></span></span></font><![endif]><font
size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>I’d
make you or Aaron Schwartz my friends – but I have to go grok the
difference between the approach Morten showed me and the ‘other’
one.</span></font> <font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=2 face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:1.0in;text-indent:-.25in;mso-list:l1 level1 lfo3;
tab-stops:list 1.0in'><![if !supportLists]><font size=2 face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;mso-fareast-font-family:Arial'><span
style='mso-list:Ignore'>3.<font size=1 face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"'> </span></font></span></span></font><![endif]><font
size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>Which brings
me to MY purpose for being here – which is actually two fold:</span></font>
<font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=2 face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.75in'><font size=2 face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'><span style='mso-tab-count:2'> </span>-
think of me as a marketing guy.<span style='mso-spacerun:yes'> </span><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.75in'><font size=2 face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'><span style='mso-tab-count:3'> </span>-
I take/look at technology and make it plausible for humans.<span
style='mso-spacerun:yes'> </span>So case in point – I tell someone
asks about FOAF. They type in FOAF.org and get nothing.<span
style='mso-spacerun:yes'> </span>They then think “who are these
FOAF people, why don’t they have FOAF.org?”<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.75in'><font size=2 face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'><span style='mso-tab-count:3'> </span>-
I’m sure you’re bombarded daily (in your role as a W3C nerd) to
make this semantic web stuff – more human friendly.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.75in'><font size=2 face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'><span style='mso-tab-count:3'> </span>-
I can help and FOAF is at a juncture (as it’s about to be supported by
TypePad) – so NOW is the time to take this to the next stage…..<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.75in'><font size=2 face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'><span style='mso-tab-count:3'> </span>-
So hanging around the mail list, speaking up, pointing out key factors –
will be my role….<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.75in'><font size=2 face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'><span style='mso-tab-count:2'> </span>-
I’m an entrepreneur – a toolsmith – and we’re working
on software that has many social implications.<span
style='mso-spacerun:yes'> </span>A new kind of tool.<span
style='mso-spacerun:yes'> </span>A new paradigm of tools.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.75in'><font size=2 face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'><span style='mso-tab-count:3'> </span>-
I got a chance to show Morten what we’re up to<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.75in'><font size=2 face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'><span style='mso-tab-count:3'> </span>-
Hopefully we’ll be able to leverage and include FOAF in our plans<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.75in'><font size=2 face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'><span style='mso-tab-count:3'> </span>-
I’ve been helping get something called ThreadsML going…. (ask Danny
Ayers about that….)<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.75in'><font size=2 face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'><span style='mso-tab-count:3'> </span>-
We’re also working on an ‘OpenIdentity’ effort (more later)<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.75in'><font size=2 face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'><span style='mso-tab-count:2'> </span>-
So I’m here and ready to rock…..<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.75in'><font size=2 face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:1.0in;text-indent:-.25in;mso-list:l1 level1 lfo3;
tab-stops:list 1.0in'><![if !supportLists]><font size=2 face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;mso-fareast-font-family:Arial'><span
style='mso-list:Ignore'>4.<font size=1 face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"'> </span></font></span></span></font><![endif]><font
size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>Not sure if
this letter gets me onto the mail list. Another case in point.<span
style='mso-spacerun:yes'> </span>The way OTHER people do it – they
have a statement which says…..</span></font> <font size=2 face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.75in'><font size=2 face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'><span style='mso-tab-count:2'> </span>“Here’s
our mail list” – “Here’s what you have to do to sign
for the mail list.”<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.75in'><font size=2 face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'><span style='mso-tab-count:2'> </span>It’s
little things like that that humans like…….<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.75in'><font size=2 face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:1.0in;text-indent:-.25in;mso-list:l1 level1 lfo3;
tab-stops:list 1.0in'><![if !supportLists]><font size=2 face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;mso-fareast-font-family:Arial'><span
style='mso-list:Ignore'>5.<font size=1 face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"'> </span></font></span></span></font><![endif]><font
size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>Anway
– don’t wanna start off this relationship on the negative side.
This is exciting shit!<span style='mso-spacerun:yes'> </span>I’m
jazzed.<span style='mso-spacerun:yes'> </span>Being a former best friend
of Dave Winer – and being someone who helped change the world –
already – puts me into a unique position to help you and to help me and
to hold hands and sing: “Kum bah yah”</span></font> <font size=2
face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=2 face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
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style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Wingdings;mso-ascii-font-family:Arial;
mso-hansi-font-family:Arial;mso-bidi-font-family:Arial;mso-char-type:symbol;
mso-symbol-font-family:Wingdings'><span style='mso-char-type:symbol;mso-symbol-font-family:
Wingdings'>J</span></span></font><font size=2 face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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